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- Started with 15$ free casino money and my own 20$. I got it up to 200$ with half my bet on play I just wish I knew when to take down my bets I love craps.
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TigerWu
Wow, $1 minimum is crazy! I wonder if that's just a promotional since the game is so new or it will be normal.
I wonder what their roulette minimums are...
I wonder what their roulette minimums are...
PachucoBro
Based on what I have seen and read from them the $1 minimum bet is the standard bet, plus you pay the $1 Ante on every come out roll.
I also have seen some things that make me think if you are betting $25 or more, you don't pay the ante.
I plan to make a trip to the Casino this weekend to check it out. It is only an hours drive from my house in North Dallas.
I also have seen some things that make me think if you are betting $25 or more, you don't pay the ante.
I plan to make a trip to the Casino this weekend to check it out. It is only an hours drive from my house in North Dallas.
klimate10
Based on what I have seen and read from them the $1 minimum bet is the standard bet, plus you pay the $1 Ante on every come out roll.
I also have seen some things that make me think if you are betting $25 or more, you don't pay the ante.
The minimum bet is $5.
There is an ante on every come out roll. If you don’t make a come out bet, then you pay the ante when your bet goes live, such as making a place bet with no pass bet.
Once you make the ante for that hand, no further ante is required.
For example, come out roll 7 winner, 2 craps, 11 yo, 3 craps, then point of 4. That will be $5 worth of antes. It’s $1 per come out ROLL, not shooter. Once the point is established, if you’ve already paid the ante, then no further ante is required to make odds or any center/prop bets.
If you don’t make a pass bet and only a place bet, then if a pass line point winner rolls, you have to pay another ante to make your place bet go live. They collect antes like mad.
I saw lots of people betting $5 with a $1 ante.
Not true that at $25 min they waive the ante. They never waive the ante.
I only went to Winstar to see and make a TR. It’s not worth going to any of these OK casinos. Alcohol is NOT comped and overpriced. When I was there, a can of Coors light was $4.50, but it was happy hour, so $4.00.
The tables are packed. People just don’t care about the ante. I think they see it as the cost of entertainment.
PachucoBro
Thanks for the clarification on the minimum bets. I typically will have a min bet (1 unit) on the Pass Line and about 3-10 units using Come and Don't Come bets.
Yeah I understood the Ante as being for each come out roll. It's what... 20% if you just play $5 on the PL? Not really worth it at all.
I'm not a big drinker or really a drinker at all so I could care less about the cost of alcohol, but you are gonna buy something to drink if you are sitting in the casino for several hours.
Yeah I understood the Ante as being for each come out roll. It's what... 20% if you just play $5 on the PL? Not really worth it at all.
I'm not a big drinker or really a drinker at all so I could care less about the cost of alcohol, but you are gonna buy something to drink if you are sitting in the casino for several hours.
TigerWu
I think most Oklahoma casinos offer free coffee, tea, and soda, though. I know I've seen that before.
mustangsally
Yeah I understood the Ante as being for each come out roll. It's what... 20% if you just play $5 on the PL? Not really worth it at all.
so,bet $100 (on the pass line, sure) and that makes the 'fee' 1%
does it not?
but when one makes 30 bets per hour per come out rolls
that is $30 per hour.
must be some super math challenged players playing Craps in that part of the country
but for a fix it is inexpensive
imo, that game and fee system will be lost very soon
as it was in SoCal
Sally
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klimate10
Right now, even with the ante system, both OK casinos that border Texas are packed to the gills, so they have no incentive to remove the ante. Just more profit.
One of the pits was laughing and bragging about how they can charge anything they want, including charging for alcohol, and if people don’t like it, they can drive three hours to Shreveport. They’re quite confident and arrogant. And he was making this brag to the entire table.
It wouldn’t be that bad if people were betting $100. That would add about 1% to the HE. But most people are betting in the $5-$25 range. Lots of people betting $5 pass with $10 odds. And sometimes it takes two or three come it rolls to establish a point, so that’s more antes.
In defense of the OK casinos and their craps game, that’s still a lower overall loss per hour than slots.
According to my math, it costs about $30 an hour worth of antes to play the OK craps game.
People just don’t care.
One of the pits was laughing and bragging about how they can charge anything they want, including charging for alcohol, and if people don’t like it, they can drive three hours to Shreveport. They’re quite confident and arrogant. And he was making this brag to the entire table.
It wouldn’t be that bad if people were betting $100. That would add about 1% to the HE. But most people are betting in the $5-$25 range. Lots of people betting $5 pass with $10 odds. And sometimes it takes two or three come it rolls to establish a point, so that’s more antes.
In defense of the OK casinos and their craps game, that’s still a lower overall loss per hour than slots.
According to my math, it costs about $30 an hour worth of antes to play the OK craps game.
People just don’t care.
PachucoBro
imo, that game and fee system will be lost very soon
as it was in SoCal
Sally
Well it isn't going to go away anytime soon... this ante system is a State Legislative thing that says Tribal Casinos can't make money directly from the table games.
Every dollar you lose at a table game can not be taken by the casino as profit. That money goes to: The State of OK (10%), the cost of running the game and promotions for guests.
The Ante is the only way the casino can profit. Without it... the casino is a Non-Profit Organization... technically... AND that ain't gonna happen. ;)
klimate10
Allegedly, the casino is supposed to give the money won from the HE back to the players.
At casino Morongo in CA, when I was there years ago, they had a promotion where if you got 3 BJs in a row, you win a free $500 that came from the player pool that was fed by the HE.
The OK casinos have no such pool. I spoke to a pit who confirmed no such player pool. His justification was that the money won from the players is used to also pay the winning bets. I asked him what about the money won from the HE? He just shrugged his shoulders and said it stays with the casino to pay the players if the casino has a bad month.
Technically they can say that the money won from the HE is used to pay for comps. So many loopholes they can use to justify the ‘promotions for players’.
I’m the end, I think they just keep it as profit and write it off by saying they paid it out through various comped promos.
At casino Morongo in CA, when I was there years ago, they had a promotion where if you got 3 BJs in a row, you win a free $500 that came from the player pool that was fed by the HE.
The OK casinos have no such pool. I spoke to a pit who confirmed no such player pool. His justification was that the money won from the players is used to also pay the winning bets. I asked him what about the money won from the HE? He just shrugged his shoulders and said it stays with the casino to pay the players if the casino has a bad month.
Technically they can say that the money won from the HE is used to pay for comps. So many loopholes they can use to justify the ‘promotions for players’.
I’m the end, I think they just keep it as profit and write it off by saying they paid it out through various comped promos.
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jab50
Thank you for all your responses. I have noticed that some of your comments side with the casino in that 'They wouldn't tip the odds more in their favor if they're not paying out some comps.'
While that seems logical, it seems that these days, casinos have become incredibly 'cheap' in their comps, and personally, I could envision them paying little or no comps for these craps games AND having a machine that manipulates the dice in the casino's favor. People still play the 6 to 5 'blackjack' tables, so why not play on a craps machine that pays worse than an actual craps game? As mentioned by someone, some players are just intimidated by some aspect of the actual craps game, so they're more comfortable playing on a machine. Most of my friends, when they're in Vegas, ONLY play slots (or try to play VP with poor or no strategy) because they are afraid to learn and play the table games. I don't understand them because they lose more than I lose on craps or BJ.
Anyway, I haven't tried these craps machines yet because I thought they were rigged somehow, but maybe I'll put in a few bucks next time I'm downtown at Binion's.
It would be great to see some actual stats here. As one forum user said, they have already compiled a decent amount of numbers that slightly favors the pass-line bettor so far.
While that seems logical, it seems that these days, casinos have become incredibly 'cheap' in their comps, and personally, I could envision them paying little or no comps for these craps games AND having a machine that manipulates the dice in the casino's favor. People still play the 6 to 5 'blackjack' tables, so why not play on a craps machine that pays worse than an actual craps game? As mentioned by someone, some players are just intimidated by some aspect of the actual craps game, so they're more comfortable playing on a machine. Most of my friends, when they're in Vegas, ONLY play slots (or try to play VP with poor or no strategy) because they are afraid to learn and play the table games. I don't understand them because they lose more than I lose on craps or BJ.
Anyway, I haven't tried these craps machines yet because I thought they were rigged somehow, but maybe I'll put in a few bucks next time I'm downtown at Binion's.
It would be great to see some actual stats here. As one forum user said, they have already compiled a decent amount of numbers that slightly favors the pass-line bettor so far.
jml24
Yes, there certainly is a benefit to Bubble Craps for people who wish to play craps, at low, low minimums. Personally, I have never understood the desire to play craps for $1. I know I am probably not going to win after an hour of play, but if I do get that positive variance, I would like it to be more than $10. I understand we all have different valuations of what is discretionary funds, and what is affordable, so I am only saying, for myself I would not find $1 craps to be fun.
I think players new to craps find the game less intimidating than the live game. These players also like to play at lower limits.
A funny story: my wife had never played craps so I taught her how to play on the bubble craps machine at the Venetian. She was betting $1 pass line only with single odds and proceeded to roll 23 times before a loss!
Pokeraddict
FWIW, the machine does have worse odds in several ways. The odds are worse for don't players compared to table games at every casino I know of having it. Pass line odds are only 2x in many places too. If you buy a 4/10 the machine takes double juice. It takes 5% of your win, not 5% of your bet. The field also only pays double on 12.
slackyhacky
Good Question.
It is a slot machine. The company says it is, so we must agree with them on that.
On $1200 or above wins, including the original wager, a W2G is issued.
Winstar Craps Rules
This isn't true. It isn't treated as a slot - the casino manager told me this (at Gold Strike in Jean) as they were paying me my $2200 (without paperwork). I started with $100.I went back recently, and they had totally changed the rules of the game (Max LAY bet was $30). I asked the manager if I still held the record for that machine for the largest payout. He said I still did. My wife then asked if they changed the rules because of me....he kind of hem and hawed and said...'uh...well, uh..no, it was because we felt like it was too confusing for people.....'
Whatever....
I think my big payout totally made them change the game rules. (LAY bet max was probably $1000) Well, it worked because I didn't do near as well. I won't go back there anymore. Shoot to Win at Ceasear's has better rules.
It isn't that big of a pay out really - I was kinda surprised it was still the top. I mean, putting $100 on snake eyes would blow it away.
guido111
This isn't true. It isn't treated as a slot - the casino manager told me this (at Gold Strike in Jean) as they were paying me my $2200 (without paperwork). I started with $100.
I think it is $1200 win on any one roll.
I hit a $45, 30 to 1 payout (hop 4-4) with $5 on the hard 8and the machine locked up and they issued me a W2G on the spot before I could continue.
They told me this so I would know to bet less so any one win would be less than $1200 does not get a W2G.
Cant do that any more with max $5 bets
DJTeddyBear
FWIW, the machine does have worse odds in several ways. The odds are worse for don't players compared to table games at every casino I know of having it. Pass line odds are only 2x in many places too. If you buy a 4/10 the machine takes double juice. It takes 5% of your win, not 5% of your bet. The field also only pays double on 12.
That's got nothing to do with whether or not the dice are rigged.
Winstar Have Craps
Roulette slots also tend to have lower payouts than live tables. But the wheel is still fair.
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AlanMendelson
Currently it is $3 to $500 and 345X odds.
The Shoot to Win Craps is between the Craps table and the Cage.
The machine has no TITO. All hand pay on every cash out.
When did Gold Strike go to 345x odds? I was there about six weeks ago. Only 2x odds.Im not surprised the craps machine has no TITO after all this is the casino that says it pays 'real coins' and 'money you can feel' on its electronic sign along the I-15.
Playing $1 vp there on my last visit I cashed out $270 after getting a straight flush... and I had to wait for a hopper reload. When was the last time you had to wait for a hopper reload? LOL
Pokeraddict
When did Gold Strike go to 345x odds? I was there about six weeks ago. Only 2x odds.
Im not surprised the craps machine has no TITO after all this is the casino that says it pays 'real coins' and 'money you can feel' on its electronic sign along the I-15.
Playing $1 vp there on my last visit I cashed out $270 after getting a straight flush... and I had to wait for a hopper reload. When was the last time you had to wait for a hopper reload? LOL
Shoot to Win uses coins at Gold Strike? I wonder how many other ones are that way. I am surprised they even would have designed it with that capability.
tw
Data Point:
I returned from Vegas last night after playing the Bubble Craps machine at Bally's. I was sometimes putting Place to Lose bets on 4 or 10 and noticed a lost fairly often. So I did an experiment: I put on a Place to Lose on 10 for $5. After losing I added $5 to the bet each time. The machine rolled 10 six times in a row losing me $5, $10, $15, $20, $25, and $30.
This is hard to believe but true -- on the next roll I then switched to putting on Place to Lose on 4, adding $5 to the bet each time. The machine rolled 4 four times straight.
It rolled 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 4, 4, 4, 4 while I had place to loose on each of those rolls
It seems clear to me the machine can roll whatever it calculates is desirable.
I returned from Vegas last night after playing the Bubble Craps machine at Bally's. I was sometimes putting Place to Lose bets on 4 or 10 and noticed a lost fairly often. So I did an experiment: I put on a Place to Lose on 10 for $5. After losing I added $5 to the bet each time. The machine rolled 10 six times in a row losing me $5, $10, $15, $20, $25, and $30.
This is hard to believe but true -- on the next roll I then switched to putting on Place to Lose on 4, adding $5 to the bet each time. The machine rolled 4 four times straight.
It rolled 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 4, 4, 4, 4 while I had place to loose on each of those rolls
It seems clear to me the machine can roll whatever it calculates is desirable.
7craps
When did Gold Strike go to 345x odds? I was there about six weeks ago. Only 2x odds.
Winstar Craps Table
Gold Strike is still 2X odds on their table.I saw the 2x odds on the STWCraps also for the pass/come, not the don't side. The don't odds only allows 2X bet to be made, just like the pass/come side.
The company that makes this machine really does not understand the game of craps, or does not know how to program it properly,
when it come to max odds and even making place bets.
NO across, inside, outside buttons. No place bet press or option button after a win.
All the casinos I have seen on the strip have really lowered the max bets and total bets that could be made, they must have become tired of giving out many W2Gs for any $1200 payout on any one roll.
Not at all a high roller friendly machine to play.
El Cortez is just fine with $3 to $1000 limits and 10X odds on both the pass and dpass sides
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